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02/09/2009 03:30 PM Senate RESOURCES


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03:33:42 PM Alaska Gas Exploration Potential in the Cook Inlet.
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                        February 9, 2009                                                                                        
                           3:32 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lesil McGuire, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Bill Wielechowski, Co-Chair                                                                                             
Senator Charlie Huggins, Vice Chair                                                                                             
Senator Hollis French                                                                                                           
Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                            
Senator Gary Stevens                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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Senator Thomas Wagoner                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Joe Thomas                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Overview: Alaska Gas Exploration Potential in the Cook Inlet by                                                                 
Bob Swenson, State Geologist, Division of Geological and                                                                        
Geophysical Surveys                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BOB SWENSON, State Geologist and Director                                                                                       
Division of Geological and Geophysical Surveys (DGGS) Department                                                                
of Natural Resources (DNR)                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented overview of Cook Inlet gas                                                                      
exploration.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN BANKS, Director                                                                                                           
Division of Oil and Gas                                                                                                         
Department of Natural Resources (DNR)                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on Cook Inlet gas exploration.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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3:32:30 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR BILL  WIELECHOWSKI called the Senate  Resources Standing                                                             
Committee meeting  to order at 3:32  p.m. Present at the  call to                                                               
order were  Senators Huggins,  Stevens, Stedman,  McGuire, French                                                               
and Wielechowski.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:33:42 PM                                                                                                                    
^Alaska Gas Exploration Potential in the Cook Inlet.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  announced the  overview of Cook  Inlet gas                                                               
supplies and exploration development activities.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
BOB   SWENSON,  State   Geologist  and   Director,  Division   of                                                               
Geological and Geophysical Surveys  (DGGS), Department of Natural                                                               
Resources  (DNR),   began  by  commenting  on   the  Mt.  Redoubt                                                               
eruption. He said  the USGS, the University and DGGS  are part of                                                               
the Alaska  Volcano Observatory  and some  of the  fluid movement                                                               
recently maxed out the tremor  part of their instruments. For the                                                               
first time  they were able  to see the  tremors at Mt.  Spurr 100                                                               
kilometers away. There hasn't been  an eruption yet, but they are                                                               
still seeing well above background levels.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He  said  he came  to  talk  to  the  committee today  about  gas                                                               
exploration potential  in the  Cook Inlet,  a complex  basin. The                                                               
U.S.  Geological Survey  (USGS)  has  come up  with  a series  of                                                               
probabilistic  numbers  for   what  the  technically  recoverable                                                               
resources in  the state  could be.  Cook Inlet  Outer Continental                                                               
Shelf (OCS) has  a range of 0.7 -  2.5 tcf of gas with  a mean of                                                               
1.4 tcf.  The USGS  has not  done a proper  analysis of  the Cook                                                               
Inlet, but they are in the process of doing that right now.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SWENSON remarked  on exploration  statistics: 85  percent of                                                               
gas was discovered early in  the exploration cycle while drilling                                                               
for oil  (that's the  case for  most of  the state's  gas). Until                                                               
recent times there hasn't been  a lot of exploration specifically                                                               
for gas.  The plays in Cook  Inlet are all structural  traps; the                                                               
stratigraphic traps  have essentially been untapped.  Nearly 1 in                                                               
10 fields  is greater  than 2  tcf, which is  very unusual  for a                                                               
basin. The four  largest fields have 86 percent  of the reserves,                                                               
another  unusual  statistic  in   a  basin.  Finally,  the  field                                                               
distribution lacks  the 300-1300 bcf  range. One would  expect to                                                               
see the  full gamut of  field sizes from  the very small  all the                                                               
way  up  to  the  very  large  size;  but  the  fields  that  are                                                               
relatively mid-size in  range are missing. Most  basins have this                                                               
normal  logarithmic distribution  to them  and he  believes those                                                               
would  be part  of the  technically recoverable  reserves in  the                                                               
basin.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:39:10 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI  asked if  the  mean  should be  3.73  tcf                                                               
referring to the chart on page 2 that said 373 tcf.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON answered yes.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  said that was  different than the  mean on                                                               
the front page  of their handout that says 1.4  tcf. What is that                                                               
difference?                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:39:52 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWENSON  answered that  1.4 tcf is  just for  the technically                                                               
recoverable reserves  in the  OCS acreage. The  3.73 tcf  are the                                                               
reserves  that could  be  found  in the  basin  - very  different                                                               
numbers.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI  asked  him   to  explain  the  difference                                                               
between "technically recoverable reserves" and "total reserves."                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SWENSON said  he should  be saying  "technically recoverable                                                               
resource."  "Reserves" means  that you  have actually  discovered                                                               
and delineated them - you  have technical proof that you actually                                                               
have that gas behind pipe and  it is producible.  When USGS talks                                                               
about "technically  recoverable resource"  in a basin,  they look                                                               
at all the fields that are in  existence in a basin, they look at                                                               
the  geology and  tie  in  the petroleum  systems  -  and make  a                                                               
probabilistic  estimate   of  what  the  amount   of  technically                                                               
recoverable resource is likely to be there.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI  asked  if  Cook Inlet  has  3.73  tcf  of                                                               
resource remaining,  what Southcentral's  lifespan is  at current                                                               
usage.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON clarified that the  current reserves are 1.3 tcf. The                                                               
total resource of  3.73 tcf is what was available  in 2004 of the                                                               
8.5 tcf of  original resource discovered in 1972.  Because it has                                                               
continued  being produced  since 2004,  it's at  about 1.314  tcf                                                               
now.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  asked how  many years  supply that  was at                                                               
current usage.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON replied about 16 years.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:43:23 PM                                                                                                                    
KEVIN BANKS,  Director, Division  of Oil  and Gas,  Department of                                                               
Natural Resources  (DNR), added  that the  Cook Inlet  uses about                                                               
130 bcf/yr. and  including some projection for  what LNG supplies                                                               
would require  that is about  a 10-year supply. All  the existing                                                               
gas fields would have to be drained for that supply.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:44:21 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI recalled  that  the average  reserve in  a                                                               
basin across North America is about eight years.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:44:52 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWENSON responded  that he wasn't familiar  with that number.                                                               
Each basin  is probably going  to have a  significantly different                                                               
reserve  base depending  on its  geometry and  dominant petroleum                                                               
system. For instance,  right now the North Slope  basin has about                                                               
35  tcf and  if you  take into  account all  of the  "technically                                                               
recoverable  resource," it's  about 200  tcf. "And  so, that's  a                                                               
huge basin  with a lot of  net reserves and possible  resource in                                                               
it." Cook  Inlet originally had  8 tcf  and what is  suggested is                                                               
that there could be 2-17 tcf  in total resource when the basin is                                                               
fully explored and done.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:45:16 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH asked when the USGS would finish its new survey.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON  said he didn't  have an  exact date, but  within two                                                               
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH asked if it always takes this long.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON  replied that  it's most important  to get  the right                                                               
information to do a reasonable job.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:47:12 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH  asked how much data  he is generating on  his own                                                               
and how much is from industry.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON  answered every  piece of  information that  has been                                                               
generated on  the basin from  industry is well logs  and seismic,                                                               
and  he has  a  fairly comprehensive  database.  His division  is                                                               
tying the subsurface information in  with the surface data to get                                                               
a distribution of  the rocks (facies) that will  suggest what the                                                               
potential for stratigraphic traps is.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:48:16 PM                                                                                                                    
Some of  the "take home points"  are that there has  been minimal                                                               
focused  exploration for  natural  gas in  the  Cook Inlet  until                                                               
recent years,  that oil and  gas exploration is  inherently risky                                                               
with a low chance of economic  success with a long lead time, and                                                               
that  Cook  Inlet  has specifically  difficult  data  acquisition                                                               
because of the thick sequence  of non-marine sediments with coals                                                               
and low velocity surface.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SWENSON said  additionally, the  best chance  of success  is                                                               
achieved  when  numerous  geologic  concepts  are  tested,  which                                                               
requires  access to  the entire  sedimentary  basin and  numerous                                                               
exploration  wells. For  market  certainty, he  said that  modern                                                               
high resolution geological data  and non-volatile pricing are key                                                               
to meeting the  economic risk threshold for  doing an exploration                                                               
program.  And in  the  Cook  Inlet most  of  the  "easy" gas  has                                                               
already  been found  and  delineated.  Is there  more  gas to  be                                                               
found?  Yes. It  will  be found  in existing  fields  and in  new                                                               
exploration  play types.  What are  the hurdles?  One of  the big                                                               
ones is land  access over the entire basin;  others are expensive                                                               
data  gathering  of  new seismic  information  both  onshore  and                                                               
offshore,  drilling  costs  and   a  complicated  and  relatively                                                               
limited market when compared to Lower 48 or global markets.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON  walked them through  the geology depicted  in slides                                                               
4-6 including the  Aleutian Trench and the ring  of volcanoes. He                                                               
said  only two  other basins  on earth  have the  same amount  of                                                               
reserves with the specific tectonic setting Cook Inlet has.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:52:29 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  STEVENS asked  if the  Shelikof Straits  is unlikely  to                                                               
have oil and gas  - so fishermen can feel safer -  and for him to                                                               
explain the difference between the Mesozoic and Tertiary basins.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SWENSON replied  that the  northern part  of the  Cook Inlet                                                               
Basin has  the Tertiary stratigraphy, the  non-marine strata. The                                                               
important  point about  this  is  that all  of  the  gas that  is                                                               
produced in  the basin  has been sourced  within the  coals. They                                                               
have  two  totally  different petroleum  systems  in  the  basin.                                                               
Number  one,  all the  oil  that  is  produced  is out  of  these                                                               
formations,  but it  must migrate  out of  the Mesozoic  into the                                                               
upper formations;  and then it's  trapped within the  lower tonic                                                               
formations. That  is what all  the fields  in the Cook  Inlet are                                                               
drilling into. The gas, however,  is biogenic gas, not associated                                                               
with  this oil.  It  is  both generated  and  accumulated in  the                                                               
Tertiary section.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS asked  if he was saying that  the Shelikof Strait                                                               
was unlikely to have oil and gas.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SWENSON replied  yes.  He  said that  in  the northern  Cook                                                               
Inlet,  the tertiary  section where  the  gas is  located is  not                                                               
present  in the  Shelikof  Straits area.  However,  he said,  the                                                               
Mesozoic in  the Shelikof  Strait area is  very thick,  and seeps                                                               
are  on  the southern  part  of  the  Alaska Peninsula,  but  the                                                               
reservoir rocks that  house that resource are not  present in the                                                               
Shelikof Straits area.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:55:52 PM                                                                                                                    
He explained  oil and gas  trapping mechanisms and flat  spots in                                                               
slides  7-8. These  structures are  what explorers  in the  1970s                                                               
were looking  for. What  has been  drilled in  the basin  to date                                                               
essentially  are  all  structural  traps; that's  where  all  the                                                               
reserves are. This means that you  have a reservoir rock that has                                                               
porosity  and   permeability  with  a  cap   rock  overlying  and                                                               
containing it  - keeping  it from  migrating any  further towards                                                               
the surface. Structural  traps also coincide with  the faults and                                                               
the basin  has gas  accumulations in  them.   They have  not seen                                                               
stratigraphic  traps  in  the  basin   to  date.  This  is  where                                                               
reservoir quality rock  has been truncated by  an erosional event                                                               
and then a  cap rock is deposited over that  that stops migrating                                                               
gas and oil from reaching the surface.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:58:38 PM                                                                                                                    
Tight sands  is another area  of possible exploration for  gas in                                                               
the basin  (slide 9).  He explained  that you can  have a  lot of                                                               
resource here, but  it takes a lot  of time to produce  it into a                                                               
well bore without "some artificial fracing."                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  asked how they  can tell what the  pool is                                                               
when by drilling into it and how is the gas gotten out.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:00:19 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWENSON answered  while drilling, a series  of remote sensing                                                               
tools  is used  to check  resistivity and  a number  of different                                                               
parameters.  Often they  hit mud,  coal and  then some  more mud,                                                               
then sandstone.  If the porosity  in that sandstone  still exists                                                               
and  it contains  gas,  it will  come  up with  the  mud. At  the                                                               
surface they  have a  "sniffer" that can  identify gas.  Having a                                                               
"gas show"  doesn't mean a  field or a  pool; it just  means that                                                               
you  have run  into some  type of  hard hydrocarbon  that can  be                                                               
tested. Once  that is  drilled, they  will go  back in  with much                                                               
more sophisticated  measuring devices (like CMR  type well logs).                                                               
The different  fluids in the  rock will have  different responses                                                               
in the logs. If the drillers  see something, then they set casing                                                               
on it and cement it all  in. They then perforate the reservoir to                                                               
open it to  surface pressure. Under normal conditions  the gas is                                                               
under  great pressure  -  maybe  1500 psi  at  3,000 ft.  Control                                                               
systems at  the surface test what  comes out and that's  called a                                                               
"well  test." If  you have  very tight  rock, it  won't give  you                                                               
anything at the  surface and you may  have to go in  later and do                                                               
"a frac  job" to artificially  frac the  well. The final  test is                                                               
always  a well  test, but  a lot  of remote  sensing leads  up to                                                               
that, because the test is an incredibly expensive process.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:02:52 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  asked if  other things are  extracted with                                                               
the gas and that have to be separated out.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:03:03 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWENSON answered  yes, but one of the  wonderful things about                                                               
Cook Inlet gas  is that it's very, very dry;  so you can actually                                                               
use it coming out of the well  bore. Pressure on the well bore is                                                               
kept  just a  little  lower  than the  pressure  that  is in  the                                                               
formation so  it flows  into the  well bore,  to the  surface and                                                               
into the surface equipment.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:03:39 PM                                                                                                                    
Slide 10 showed when all the  large fields in the Cook Inlet were                                                               
found in  the 1960s. That's also  when Prudhoe Bay was  found and                                                               
when  a lot  of  companies shifted  their  exploration effort  up                                                               
there.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:04:47 PM                                                                                                                    
He  showed maps  of what  was going  on across  the basin  from a                                                               
visual standpoint in 2006-2008. He  said anyone you talk to would                                                               
say there  is some potential  for exploration gas in  this basin;                                                               
how much and how much it will cost is another question.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:06:04 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  SWENSON  said  access  is  the  big  question  and  from  an                                                               
exploration standpoint  slide 11  showed the distribution  of gas                                                               
and  oil  fields,  federal acreage,  CIRI  lands,  Mental  Health                                                               
lands, University lands, Beluga  Habitat and leased acreage, some                                                               
of them overlapped.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:07:53 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  STEVENS asked  if the  CIRI lands  that overlay  federal                                                               
land is off limits.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON answered  no; some of that acreage  is getting leased                                                               
to the industry.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:08:48 PM                                                                                                                    
He said his division is  facilitating exploration in the basin by                                                               
trying   to   understand    the   stratigraphic   potential   and                                                               
distribution  of facies  and reservoir  quality  rock across  the                                                               
entire basin by preparing a four-year  study that is in its third                                                               
year.  The  program  goals  are basically  to  look  at  specific                                                               
reservoir  quality   in  a  stratigraphic  sense   to  help  them                                                               
understand what potential there is in  the basin and to work with                                                               
the  USGS so  it can  provide realistic  estimates for  resources                                                               
that good decisions can be made upon.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:10:57 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGGINS asked  him to restate the potential  of the Capps                                                               
Glacier Fault in the vicinity of the Beluga Coal fields.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SWENSON pointed  to a  region  just north  of Capps  Glacier                                                               
where the  gas potential  is essentially zero,  he said,  but the                                                               
reason  they are  looking  at it  is because  that  is where  the                                                               
entire sequence  is exposed.  This same  rock is  being deposited                                                               
out in the  basin and this information will  be extrapolated into                                                               
the basin and give them a  much better handle on the distribution                                                               
of reservoir facies out there.  The coal fields are there because                                                               
of that exposure to the surface.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HUGGINS said  he  assumed there  is  not much  potential                                                               
going  up  Chakachamna  towards  the  potential  hydro-site  even                                                               
though there has been a lot of exploration.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON agreed;  but added that the further west  side of the                                                               
basin  has   an  incredible   amount  of   "deformations,"  which                                                               
indicates  potential, and  a number  of companies  are active  in                                                               
this  area. But  closer  to  the basin  edge,  especially by  Mt.                                                               
Spurr, the amount of resource potential becomes very small.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:13:47 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI asked  how this basin compares  in terms of                                                               
oil and gas reserves to other basins around the world.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:13:52 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWENSON replied that is hard  to answer. The Cook Inlet basin                                                               
is small  by comparison to  all the other North  American basins.                                                               
The North  Slope and  the entire Canadian  Front Range  that goes                                                               
all the way through Canada and  down to the south, with Williston                                                               
Basin, another intra-cratonic type  basin that is also relatively                                                               
small, could be  compared to the California basins  along the San                                                               
Andreas  fault system.  They are  small, but  fairly hydro-carbon                                                               
prolific. In 10 years of exploration  8 tcf of gas was found. But                                                               
overall it  is very much smaller  than most of the  big basins in                                                               
the U.S.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI  asked about  oil  potential  in the  Cook                                                               
Inlet.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON  replied their  studies now are  focused on  gas, but                                                               
all  the  exploration  to  date  has been  on  the  large  easily                                                               
identifiable  structures   for  oil.  Oils  can   be  trapped  in                                                               
stratigraphic traps, as  well, but most likely it will  be in the                                                               
Mesozoic section  and the  lowest part  of the  Tertiary section,                                                               
unlike the natural gas system.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS  said he has  heard that  once a well  is dormant                                                               
that it is self-degrading, and could he explain that.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWENSON replied slide 9  explains that issue specifically. He                                                               
explained that  it showed  thin sections  of reservoir  rock; the                                                               
blue color indicated where the gas  or fluid would reside. If gas                                                               
is in the  pore spaces, the rock remains relatively  dry. That is                                                               
when gas specifically is produced  into the well bore by reducing                                                               
pressure to get it up. However,  the indicated water, a "down dip                                                               
away," moves along  with the gas. If holes are  drilled very near                                                               
the edges of  the field, that water would replace  the gas in the                                                               
pore spaces.  Once that  happens, given  the fact  that a  lot of                                                               
clays  are in  the pore  spaces, the  water starts  to break  the                                                               
reservoir down and it can  actually plug it up sometimes referred                                                               
to  as "shut-in."  When it's  just  gas, nothing  will happen  to                                                               
those  clays. So,  you produce  as fast  and as  long as  you can                                                               
there. Another thing is that  water moves much slower through the                                                               
rock than gas; and  if you stop, it allows time  for the water to                                                               
catch up.  So, it's best  to produce  gas as continuously  and as                                                               
fast and as is safely possible.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:17:51 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI announced an at ease.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:18:33 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI called the meeting back to order at 4:18.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN BANKS,  Director, Division  of Oil  and Gas,  Department of                                                               
Natural Resources  (DNR), said  the reserve  estimate of  1.3 tcf                                                               
represents gas  that lies  within the  existing units  and fields                                                               
where  gas  has  been  discovered and  produced  for  some  time.                                                               
"Resources" refers  to possibly discovered, but  not yet produced                                                               
or fully delineated, potential gas  that could be added with more                                                               
exploration activity.  The Chair  had asked how  long 1.3  tcf of                                                               
gas reserves  would last, and his  estimate is 10 or  11 years at                                                               
current rates of production and demand  in the Cook Inlet. But if                                                               
new exploration occurs, there would  be 3.7 tcf of resources that                                                               
"you  might  be  hunting  for, which  represents  a  much  longer                                                               
potential supply."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:20:13 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  asked what percentage of  Alaskan gas that                                                               
is being exported to Japan.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS said  he assumed we were exporting about  48 bcf/yr. of                                                               
gas, and that represents 36-40 percent of the total.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  said if  we back that  out of  our 10-year                                                               
life cycle, we could have possibly another six years.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS agreed,  but he reminded him that  both numbers suggest                                                               
that these gas fields can be drained to practically zero.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:20:46 PM                                                                                                                    
He said in  2008 they were administering 410 oil  and gas leases,                                                               
many  of which  are  producing, some  not  producing; others  are                                                               
exploration targets  for several  companies. The last  Cook Inlet                                                               
areawide sale  was held in  the spring  when 18 tracts  were sold                                                               
and those  can be added  to the number  of tracts that  are under                                                               
lease.  There  are  25  oil  and  gas  units  and  fields  in  36                                                               
participating   areas  -   areas   that   have  been   delineated                                                               
sufficiently so  that the  allocation of  production can  be made                                                               
between the various owners within  the units where production can                                                               
occur   efficiently  and   economically  through   single-surface                                                               
facilities.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:23:21 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BANKS  said the  division has  had discussions  on clarifying                                                               
what can  be regarded as  exploration and what as  development in                                                               
the Cook Inlet. In 2008  there were three seismic programs, which                                                               
could  be called  strictly exploration;  new reserves  were being                                                               
looked for  - even  inside existing units,  with the  notion that                                                               
after seismic is conducted, drilling  occurs. The results of that                                                               
drilling,  if  successful,  will  add  to  reserves.  Development                                                               
activities  within  existing  units   may  add  incrementally  to                                                               
reserves, but those activities are  largely to make sure that the                                                               
producability and  deliverability of gas from  the existing units                                                               
can be maintained.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:24:27 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH asked if he said 15 gas wells were drilled.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS replied they are  a combination, but primarily they are                                                               
gas wells being  drilled in existing gas fields  for the purposes                                                               
of maintaining deliverability and  potentially adding some to the                                                               
annual production.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS asked  if that was bringing on  any new potential                                                               
or just exploiting the known potential there.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS  said his point  is that most  of the 15  wells drilled                                                               
under this development category were  to add to the production of                                                               
a unit, but  perhaps only marginally adding to  some reserves. He                                                               
explained there  are many discontinuous sands  within a potential                                                               
reservoir that are being drilled  in these units. Occasionally in                                                               
drilling known sands,  there are lenses of gas  reserves that are                                                               
not in  communication with existing  wells and hitting  those can                                                               
potentially add a small amount of gas.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:26:58 PM                                                                                                                    
He said that ConocoPhillips drilled  in the Beluga River; Chevron                                                               
has  been  active in  the  Deep  Creek Unit  and  is  one of  the                                                               
investors  in the  Cook Inlet,  as is  Marathon that  has drilled                                                               
wells into  the Kasilof  and Kenai Units.  Aurora Gas  is working                                                               
Nikolai and has proposals coming up  for this coming year. One of                                                               
the  newest lessees,  Armstrong, is  delineating a  very old  gas                                                               
field  to see  if  they can  bring  what was  once  ignored as  a                                                               
potential gas producing unit back to market.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  asked what the requirements  are under the                                                               
leases for drilling and exploration. Is there a timeline?                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS answered  most of the leases being offered  are for 5-7                                                               
years depending on  where they are located. If a  lessee wants to                                                               
keep a  lease beyond the primary  term, they may do  so either by                                                               
forming  a  unit around  it  and  demonstrating progress  towards                                                               
production,  if production  hasn't  already occurred,  or in  the                                                               
lease  operations  demonstrate   that  drilling  operations  have                                                               
occurred and  are sustained. Those  are the  minimum requirements                                                               
for holding  a lease.  Once lease operations  are approved,  or a                                                               
unit  is  approved,  there  has   to  be  some  progress  towards                                                               
development and production.  Many of the items listed  on the two                                                               
slides of  north Cook Inlet,  the Ninilchik Unit, and  Kenai, are                                                               
already producing.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:29:45 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  asked what  percentage of wells  are being                                                               
explored or produced of the 410 leases.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS answered that he would get that information.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI  asked   if  his  department  aggressively                                                               
pursues  where  the  leases are  being  explored  and  ultimately                                                               
produced.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:31:26 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  BANKS replied  yes; some  of  their lessees  think they  are                                                               
being too  aggressive. Last December  two units, the  Corsair and                                                               
the Kitchens  units listed on  slide 6 are  coming to the  end of                                                               
their  term.  The Corsair  Unit  commitments  had been  made  for                                                               
bringing in a jack up rig  and begin drilling there by this June.                                                               
For failure to bring in,  in the department's opinion, a contract                                                               
for a heavy  lift vessel to bring  the jack up rig  into the Cook                                                               
Inlet, they were  put in default. Similarly for  the Kitchen Unit                                                               
where the oldest  leases are nine years old. At  the end of their                                                               
seven-year term  the leases were  unitized with a  commitment the                                                               
drilling would  begin by  the end  of 2008.  Having failed  to do                                                               
that, they were  put in default, too. Those  together with leases                                                               
owned by  Renaissance in an  area called Northern Lights  are now                                                               
part of a "discussion" with the  state that has proposed that the                                                               
lessees group  together in each of  these units to form  a single                                                               
operation, as units should be.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
He explained that units are  designed to encourage development by                                                               
affirming the  joint operating arrangements that  are required of                                                               
the various lessees.  They have been asked, as a  way to minimize                                                               
surface impacts in  the normal unitization process,  to come back                                                               
with   a  single-unit   with  the   appropriate  geological   and                                                               
geophysical evidence of hydrocarbon  potential, the contracts for                                                               
a heavy-lift  vessel, a  jack up  rig to be  brought up  the Cook                                                               
Inlet on  that vessel, and  commitments to drill by  this summer.                                                               
He is  awaiting a  reply from  the lessees. This  is the  kind of                                                               
stick  and carrot  approach they  sometimes  use for  exploration                                                               
incentives. "Sometimes you just finally  have to say it's time to                                                               
get busy." Because the alternative for  the state is to offer the                                                               
leases to  someone else who may  have a different view  about how                                                               
they can be developed.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:33:30 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGGINS  asked, given  the extraordinary  economic times,                                                               
what sort of  rationale and action he saw  going forward, because                                                               
it appears to  him that the state could end  up repossessing lots                                                               
of leases. The  expectation for activity on  those has diminished                                                               
to some degree.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS  replied that in this  instance, last week he  met with                                                               
the  Kitchen  Unit  owners  who are  quite  excited  and  finding                                                               
investors. The challenge for the  department is to decide whether                                                               
or not  staying with  the current resident  will lead  to quicker                                                               
development than  pulling the plug and  trying someone different.                                                               
What the department has done  for many of the units, particularly                                                               
in  the  Cook  Inlet,  is  to  develop  interim  milestones.  For                                                               
instance,  instead  of  a  well by  some  date  certain,  include                                                               
bringing  evidence  that  there  is progress  to  get  that  well                                                               
drilled  -  a contract  with  a  drilling  rig company  or  other                                                               
commitments that demonstrate progress.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:36:00 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BANKS said  that slide 6 demonstrated 2008 has  seen a lot of                                                               
activity. In  some cases,  not wells  being drilled,  but various                                                               
pilot projects,  and permits  for wells that  may not  be drilled                                                               
immediately,  but with  tracked  progress. He  suspected that  he                                                               
will see a  lot less activity in the Cook  Inlet in 2009, because                                                               
Cook Inlet represents a fairly  marginal development prospect for                                                               
a lot  of producers,  particularly for those  who are  looking at                                                               
worldwide opportunities.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:37:15 PM                                                                                                                    
He hoped to  find in 2009, since the division  will be working on                                                               
gas storage  expansion plans,  more exploration  and development.                                                               
Last week  he met  with some  folks who  were looking  at Swanson                                                               
River and  the West McCarther  area. They refer to  themselves as                                                               
externally financed, but  if they can find investors,  he may see                                                               
some more applications for exploration.  Development may occur in                                                               
order  to meet  existing commitments  for supply  requirements by                                                               
the utilities.  "Beyond that, 2009 might  be a tough year  for us                                                               
on the Cook Inlet."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He pointed out  that coordination with the  federal government is                                                               
essential now  that we start  thinking about ways to  access more                                                               
federal lands.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:38:42 PM                                                                                                                    
Slide  8  showed  that ConocoPhillips  drilled  three  additional                                                               
wells  from  the  Tyonek  platform and  they  are  assessing  the                                                               
success of those wells.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS said the state has  just issued its final best interest                                                               
finding for  Cook Inlet, something  of a milestone.  The areawide                                                               
lease-sale schedule  is in  its tenth year  and he  recalled that                                                               
the legislature  made it possible  for him  to go into  a 10-year                                                               
cycle  supported  by  a  single best  interest  finding  that  is                                                               
supplemented as things  change from time to time  each year. This                                                               
means they have  been able to offer  all of the land  in the Cook                                                               
Inlet that's  available for lease every  year in the spring  on a                                                               
schedule  that is  predictable and  works well  for lessees  when                                                               
they are making plans acquiring a land position there.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:39:03 PM                                                                                                                    
The challenges  going forward are  going to be  environmental. He                                                               
didn't  know if  there  would  be litigation  on  the final  best                                                               
interest finding, but they have  issues related to the listing of                                                               
Beluga whales and other resource  conflicts. He hoped the state's                                                               
leases had appropriate  mitigation measures in them  to take care                                                               
of that.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS  also mentioned that  the legislature made  it possible                                                               
for them to be able to offer  leases in a phased approach so that                                                               
the decision to  lease is different than the  decision to explore                                                               
or  develop. When  they move  to the  exploration or  development                                                               
phase  they  can  do  a  much more  concentrated  review  of  the                                                               
potential environmental impacts.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He again  mentioned in coordinating with  the federal government,                                                               
he wanted to  see access to federal lands where  the state thinks                                                               
there is  oil and gas potential.  He would like to  make sure the                                                               
Minerals  Management  Service (MMS)  is  willing  to offer  their                                                               
lands for lease as the  state will potentially jointly manage the                                                               
Beluga River and Cosmopolitan units with it.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:41:27 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGGINS asked  if Cosmopolitan belongs to  Pioneer and if                                                               
they had suspended activity.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BANKS answered  that  is correct;  they  have postponed  the                                                               
second  Hanson well.  They drilled  an  extended-reach well  last                                                               
spring and  their focus seems  to be to  finish up their  work at                                                               
their  Oooguruk field  on the  North Slope.  "I think  Pioneer is                                                               
experiencing  challenges throughout  North  America  in the  work                                                               
that they are doing, even in the Lower 48."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS recalled  that they were going to  drill 30 wells                                                               
and they've pared that back to two.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BANKS  replied that  in  his  opinion,  the wells  they  are                                                               
drilling are  still at  a delineation  phase and  are still  in a                                                               
process of getting a handle on how they can produce this field.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS  asked how  much the average  cost of  drilling a                                                               
well in Cook Inlet is.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:44:14 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  BANKS  replied that  obviously  there  is a  lot  difference                                                               
places  in Cook  Inlet to  drill. If  you're near  infrastructure                                                               
and/or a road  it would be one thing, but  most exploration plays                                                               
aren't so  conveniently located. He guessed  onshore spending $10                                                               
million or more; offshore could be as much as $25-30 million.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BANKS continued  on to  slide 11  and described  gas storage                                                               
saying at  the moment  there are  three storage  facilities under                                                               
development in  the Cook Inlet. Two  of those are on  state lands                                                               
at  Pretty Creek  and in  the Kenai  gas field.  Pretty Creek  is                                                               
about 0.7 bcf capacity and is  operated by Chevron. The Kenai gas                                                               
field is about 6  bcf of capacity and it is  run by Marathon. The                                                               
Swanson River is on federal land in  the Moose Range and it has 1                                                               
bcf of capacity. All three  of them combined can probably deliver                                                               
as much  as 30-33  mmcf into  the market on  any given  day. That                                                               
compares  to an  average  daily  supply of  about  260 mmcf,  but                                                               
clearly when  these storage facilities are  producing, it creates                                                               
"quite a peak"  during months where the total gas  sales are much                                                               
higher.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He said  they are looking at  a fourth storage facility  and will                                                               
be working with a potential lessee in the winter 2010.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:45:29 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGGINS said he heard  that three parties got together in                                                               
a "gas purchasing coop,"                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS said he would have to talk to Mr. Heinze about that.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HUGGINS asked  if  capacity is  what  a purchasing  coop                                                               
would be looking into.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS  explained that the  three existing  storage facilities                                                               
are an  alternative to drilling  more wells in an  existing field                                                               
in  order   to  achieve  deliverability  into   the  marketplace.                                                               
Companies  like   Marathon  and  Chevron  look   into  their  own                                                               
properties  and  acquiring leases  from  the  state in  order  to                                                               
manage a  facility where they are  more than likely going  to put                                                               
their own  gas into storage and  deliver gas out of  that storage                                                               
during the peak months.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Another alternative  is a  fourth storage  facility that  will be                                                               
operated  by a  lessee,  but for  the  benefit of  third-parties.                                                               
Someone  like  Enstar could  acquire  gas  from anybody  that  is                                                               
supplying it during  the summer months and put it  in the storage                                                               
and draw it out during the winter months.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HUGGINS   asked  if   he  had   been  involved   in  any                                                               
conversations on purchasing cooperative kinds of things.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS answered no.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:48:12 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BANKS  said the reason to  store natural gas is  that the gas                                                               
demand  shifts dramatically  in  order to  supply space  heating.                                                               
When it  is cold  and dark  the use  of gas  for heating  is very                                                               
dramatic (slide 12).  This means that in order to  deliver gas at                                                               
a peak period of time, either you  have to store the gas or drill                                                               
more wells.  For a  long time,  it was just  a matter  of drawing                                                               
from the  existing wells  because the  resource was  pretty vast,                                                               
but  as  the  fields  have  been drained,  in  order  to  provide                                                               
deliverability  in the  winter time,  more and  more straws  have                                                               
been drilled  into the  bubble. That means  those straws  are not                                                               
used during  the summer time  when there  isn't the same  kind of                                                               
demand. When  the well is left  idle for any length  of time, the                                                               
risk  is run  of  damaging  the reservoir  and  shutting off  the                                                               
movement of gas through the reservoir to the well.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:50:13 PM                                                                                                                    
Another issue  goes to the  question of  what an investor  or new                                                               
explorer is looking at in this  marketplace. He said the red line                                                               
on  slide 13  shows the  typical productivity  of a  well drilled                                                               
into  a reservoir.  It has  a pretty  quick response  and then  a                                                               
logarithmic decline  in production.  Anybody drilling for  gas in                                                               
the  Lower 48  is hoping  for  this kind  of production  profile,                                                               
because it means they can  monetize their investment very quickly                                                               
by selling  as much  gas as they  can in the  early years  of its                                                               
life. The market in Cook Inlet  is constrained by its size - just                                                               
the  electrical and  space heat  utilities and  about 48  bcf/day                                                               
going into the LNG plant - "That's it for the marketplace."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:51:57 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH  hypothesized about  a new  entrant into  the Cook                                                               
Inlet  marketplace. Why  would their  analysis  be any  different                                                               
than the analysis of the existing producers?                                                                                    
They are finding  investors that are considering the  gas play in                                                               
the eastern side  of the Inlet. The question is  whether they can                                                               
step in, find  gas in time and  be able to meet or  have a supply                                                               
of gas  that the utilities  will be willing to  buy. If a  lot of                                                               
gas is  found (for  instance 100 bcf),  that is  where industrial                                                               
demand  and  export is  an  important  part  of the  market  mix.                                                               
Whoever would  find it would  be in  a better position  to supply                                                               
gas to the LNG plant.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  FRENCH  said  he  didn't  see how  the  thinking  of  an                                                               
independent  producer looking  at entering  the Cook  Inlet basin                                                               
would be  different than the  thinking of the producers  that are                                                               
already  in   place.  What  would  motivate   Chevron,  Marathon,                                                               
ConocoPhillips to invest $50 million  next year in an exploration                                                               
program if  that yielded a  big gas  find that they,  in essence,                                                               
couldn't sell, given the size of the market?                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS  agreed. The  major players do  examine these  kinds of                                                               
economics  as well,  and in  the recent  past resident  producers                                                               
have been  willing to invest to  the extent that they  can supply                                                               
commitments that they make.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH  said he didn't  see any reason for  the producers                                                               
to search  for any more  gas than  they can reasonably  expect to                                                               
sell in four or five years.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:56:39 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BANKS  said that  is correct.  The idea is  to make  sure the                                                               
market isn't any further constrained.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:57:31 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEDMAN referred to chart 13  and said the red line looks                                                               
more like an  oil producing cycle and the blue  line a little bit                                                               
more  like  gas. How  would  a  gas  producer needing  long  term                                                               
contracts  be able  to peak  his like  the red  curve, he  asked.                                                               
"It's just seems kind of counterintuitive."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS replied  that the red line kind of  represents what gas                                                               
production would  look like in  a market that is  unconstrained -                                                               
like  gas   wells  drilled  in   the  Lower  48  that   are  near                                                               
infrastructure to  deliver gas. The idea  is the same -  that you                                                               
can produce  at peak  for a  few years and  then as  the pressure                                                               
drops in the  reservoir and the well becomes  less producible you                                                               
see that kind of profile  in production. Presumably the cash flow                                                               
would look like that, too.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:59:10 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  STEDMAN said  that Agrium  is  in a  low cost  producing                                                               
environment   needing  inexpensive   gas   to   compete  in   the                                                               
international market place for its  fertilizer. If Cook Inlet gas                                                               
was marketed  to Henry Hub,  in future exploration, how  would an                                                               
operation like Agrium function paying  the going rate? Would that                                                               
have to be lowered to keep them in business?                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:59:56 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BANKS  replied that Agrium  had a  challenge in 2006  to keep                                                               
the plant going, because its  sales were low. As commodity prices                                                               
rose  around the  country, those  market conditions  changed, but                                                               
they had  already decided  to not  continue operating  the plant.                                                               
Had Agrium been  able to bridge through that  high priced gas/low                                                               
price commodity sales  crisis, it might have found  itself with a                                                               
gas supply problem.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
5:01:14 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH asked if the  current tax policies with Cook Inlet                                                               
gas sufficiently incentivize exploration.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BANKS cited  the favorable  ACES tax  credits that  go along                                                               
with developing  gas there. The tax  rate for instate use  of gas                                                               
is cheaper  and many of  the fields  enjoy royalty relief  from a                                                               
long ways back.  The current producers talk  about refinements as                                                               
any producer would,  but the new explorers, unless  they can show                                                               
continuous  expenditure of  funds, if  they are  successful, they                                                               
get to  enjoy the  full benefit  of those  exploration investment                                                               
credits. If  they strike out, then  they are not able  to acquire                                                               
their  full benefit.  When  they are  doing  their economics  and                                                               
comparing  a success  and failure  leg, the  failure leg  looks a                                                               
little bit more  expensive than it might  otherwise be. Newcomers                                                               
like the tax system for gas in the Cook Inlet.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
5:02:52 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR MCGUIRE asked what a  gasline looks like from Cook Inlet                                                               
going north versus a gasline from the Nenana Basin going south.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS  replied that  going north  the demand  for gas  in the                                                               
Interior is  not all that  great. So  the economies of  scale are                                                               
going to be  a challenge for a northbound supply  if Fairbanks is                                                               
the only market.  Heading south, the economies of  scale are only                                                               
challenged by how productive Nenana basin  is if gas is found and                                                               
can be developed there. Clearly  the target market for success in                                                               
the  Nenana is  Fairbanks, itself.  If Nenana  has more  gas than                                                               
Fairbanks needs,  heading south  is attractive  because Anchorage                                                               
is a bigger  market. They will face the same  kinds of challenges                                                               
that any  explorer in  the Cook  Inlet would  face, but  it's not                                                               
nearly as constrained as an Interior market.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BANKS said  he  is a  little  bit of  a  contrarian in  some                                                               
respects.  It's not  inconceivable that  gas supplies  could move                                                               
from the Cook Inlet north into  a main export line going from the                                                               
North  Slope to  Alberta  or  something like  that.  It all  just                                                               
depends on  the price  and the  success of  the explorers  in the                                                               
Cook Inlet.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
5:05:32 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR MCGUIRE  asked what other opportunities  might exist for                                                               
stabilizing the market for Cook Inlet gas.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BANKS replied  that storage  is  the most  obvious place  to                                                               
look. There are  more than four potential storage  areas. Some of                                                               
the big  fields that are exhausted  like the Kenai gas  field's 6                                                               
bcf of  storage is "a  pretty big balloon  to fill up  with gas."                                                               
It's like  filling a car tire  with a bicycle pump.  "You have to                                                               
put a  lot of gas into  it before you  can pull very much  out of                                                               
it."                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:06:58 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  HUGGINS said  his position  would be  to expand  the LNG                                                               
plant and  a pro-rata piece would  go instate by virtue  of that.                                                               
That  appears  to be  the  most  feasible thing  assuming  export                                                               
permit. Why not that course of action?                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS agreed with  him - that at 48 bcf/yr.  there is room to                                                               
grow if  there is a  market to supply  it. Those are  issues that                                                               
need to  be overcome. At the  moment the owners of  the LNG plant                                                               
agreed with  the state to  submit a request for  proposals (RFPs)                                                               
to buy  gas for the LNG  plant; if gas  is to be supplied  to the                                                               
LNG plant,  it most likely would  be during the summer  months to                                                               
create  that leveling  that Senator  McGuire  was talking  about.                                                               
It's there already and doesn't need  to be developed. All that is                                                               
needed is a contractual relationship.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
5:08:45 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI thanked  everyone for  their comments  and                                                               
adjourned the meeting at 5:09.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Banks Presentation - 02-02-09.pdf SRES 2/9/2009 3:30:00 PM
Bob_Swenson Presentation 02-09-09.pdf SRES 2/9/2009 3:30:00 PM